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Matt and Steve are a father and son duo who have 65 years of ministry experience between them. Matt has led worship in some capacity for 25 years and Steve has worked with students for more than 40 years. Join them as they discuss topics that cover everything from deconstructing your faith and ministry to marriage and parenting. Matt and Steve are story tellers and love to talk about their friendship as father and son (which, as you’ll hear, wasn’t always the case). Once a month or so they take time out to talk directly to ministers.
Matt and Steve are a father and son duo who have 65 years of ministry experience between them. Matt has led worship in some capacity for 25 years and Steve has worked with students for more than 40 years. Join them as they discuss topics that cover everything from deconstructing your faith and ministry to marriage and parenting. Matt and Steve are story tellers and love to talk about their friendship as father and son (which, as you’ll hear, wasn’t always the case). Once a month or so they take time out to talk directly to ministers.
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7 days ago
Ep. 51 - Moral Failures (Pt. 1)
7 days ago
7 days ago
It seems like we hear of moral failures in ministers every week. We see high-profile Pastors, musicians and other "Christian Celebrities" falling into sin or leaving the faith. How did we get here? Join the guys in part one discussing Moral failures.
Intro Music: Wes Cepin
Outro Music: Matt Coleman
Monday Apr 20, 2026
Ep. 50 What We're reading Part 2
Monday Apr 20, 2026
Monday Apr 20, 2026
In Episode 49, the guys talked about why we need to be readers, and shared some of their recent reads. In this episode, the Steve and Matt talk about books they've read in the past that they would recommend. Don't Forget to email info@wewerethinking.org to let them know what you're reading!
Intro Music by Wes Cepin
Outro Music by Matt Coleman
The Deconstruction of Christianity by Alisa Childers and Tim Barnett
The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
The World’s Last Night by C.S. Lewis (Specifically On Obstinacy in Faith)
Spurgeon on Resting In the Promises of God by Jason K. Allen
Spurgeon on the Priority of Prayer by Jason K. Allen
Spurgeon on the Power of Scripture by Jason K. Allen
Spurgeon on Persevering through Trials by Jason K. Allen
Morning & Evening by Charles Spurgeon
The Sing Hymnal by Keith & Krysten Getty, John Martin (ed.), Dan Krueger (ed.), Douglas Sean O’Donnell (ed.)
Christmas Thoughts by J.C. Ryle
The Frozen Hours by Jeff Shaara
Gods and Generals by Jeff Shaara
The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara
The Last Full Measure by Jeff Shaara
Waking the Giant by Jeff Shaara
The Final Storm by Jeff Shaara
Rise to Rebellion by Jeff Shaara
The Glorious Cause by Jeff Shaara
Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand
The Boys in the Boat by Daniel James Brown
Everyday Gospel by Paul David Tripp
Wingfeather Saga by Andrew Peterson
Hearing His Voice by Chris Tiegreen
The One Year Praying in Faith Devotional by Chris Tiegreen
At His Feet by Chris Tiegreen
I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek
Knowing God by J.I. Packer
Monday Apr 06, 2026
Ep. 49 What We're Reading (Part 1)
Monday Apr 06, 2026
Monday Apr 06, 2026
Harry Truman once said, "Not all readers are leaders, but all leaders are readers." Join Steve and Matt as they talk about not only why you should read, but what they've been reading lately, too. They talk about what they've been reading to grow their faith, but also to just enjoy reading!
Books mentioned in this episode:
Standard Memorandum Notebook by word notebooks.
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
The Scots-Irish in the Hills of Tennessee by Billy Kennedy
The Johnstown Flood by David McCullough
John Adams by David McCullough
Adorning the Dark by Andrew Peterson
The God of the Garden by Andrew Peterson
Holy Helps for a Godly Life by Richard Rogers
Triumphing Over Sinful Fear by John Flavel
Comfort and Holiness with Christ’s Priestly Work By William Bridge
Life Together by Dietrich Bonhoeffer
The Maltese Falcon by Dashiell Hammett
Daily Doctrine: A One Year Guide to Systematic Theology by Kevin DeYoung
Monday Mar 23, 2026
Ep. 48 - Real Men Cry
Monday Mar 23, 2026
Monday Mar 23, 2026
Have you ever heard someone say something along the lines of, "Suck it up, Buttercup. Real men don't cry." Yeah, try saying that to King David! Today the guys talk about Biblical manliness and the fact that real men do cry.
Intro: Wes Cepin
Outro: Matt Coleman
Monday Mar 09, 2026
Ep. 47 - Biblical Manliness
Monday Mar 09, 2026
Monday Mar 09, 2026
After talking about what it means to be a man, the guys unpack it a little further and dive into 1 Corinthians 16:13-14 and Ephesians 5:25. We often like to get to the "Wives submit to your husbands" part in Ephesians 5:22, but neglect the "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her." Real manliness is taking care of your family, being your wife's biggest fan, and loving Jesus above all else.
Intro: Wes Cepin
Outro: Matt Coleman
Monday Feb 23, 2026
Ep. 46 - What does it mean to be a man?
Monday Feb 23, 2026
Monday Feb 23, 2026
Over the next three episodes, the guys take a look at what it means to be a man according to the scriptures. Steve and Matt unpack 1 Corinthians 13:11 and what it means to be a man. Matt also mentions the book The Intentional Father by Jon Tyson.
Intro: Wes Cepin
Outro: Matt Coleman
Monday Feb 09, 2026
Ep. 45 - Games!
Monday Feb 09, 2026
Monday Feb 09, 2026
Youth ministers sometimes get classified as glorified babysitters with games and pizza. While that isn't true AT ALL, there is a time and place for games. Join Steve and Matt as they talk about "Playing with Purpose." They give some practical advice, and even give some examples of games they've used over the years. Drop us an email at info@wewerethinking.org and tell us what games have made an impact in your youth ministry!
Intro Music - Wes Cepin
Outro Music - Matt Coleman
Monday Jan 26, 2026
Ep. 44 - Legacy
Monday Jan 26, 2026
Monday Jan 26, 2026
What legacy will you leave? How will you be remembered? Join Steve and Matt as they encourage you to, once again, "Start with the end in mind" when it comes to how you live your life. Remember, you have to start now to leave the legacy you want. The guys talk about an exercise to try to think about where you're heading.
Intro Music - Wes Cepin
Outro Music - Matt Coleman

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